Billy Pettinger Lessons
I wanted to write something about the lessons I started with Billy Pettinger in October 2017. I must admit I’m finding it hard to be creative and write songs with this Coronavirus pandemic. I will get back to that in due course, but a blog about what Billy and I discuss has been an idea for a long time now., and seeing as my anxieties are stopping me from writing songs, I thought I’d try this blog thing. Some of what I have learned might not have been retained, and some, maybe remembered incorrectly…but here it goes:
I have been a fan of Billy the Kid since summer 2014, first hearing her song “This Sure as Hell ain’t my Life” whilst watching Frank Turner videos on YouTube. Suddenly, I was blown away by this new voice. “I must hear more of this,” I thought, so I immediately began listening to Billy’s 31 Covers series. Too many of these to name here, but I fell in love with Disarm, The Littlest Hobo, The Outdoor Type, Jane and Everchanging to name but a few. I was smitten. So much so in fact that it was a while before my curiosity got the better of me, and I finally delved into any more of her original material. As soon as I did, however, once again I was utterly captivated.
I think the first of her originals that I experienced were The Drugs, Just Trying to Get By, The Accident and Catastrophe I knew I’d found someone special, and The Littlest Hobo link had already got me hooked on Billy’s character anyway. I loved the homemade videos, the writing on the walls and bedsheets….you could see this girl was determined to ‘make it’ if you’ll excuse the expression. Never being one for the mainstream, I loved how Billy was doing her own thing regardless, wasn’t selling the usual cheap pop music, or following the beaten track, but was busking, putting on her own punk shows and crowdfunding to make her records. Although I obviously noticed she was incredibly beautiful, she wore band t-shirts and hoodies and wasn’t using her beauty to sell her music (as many do). Plus due to some struggles I was having at the time, her song The Drugs helped me deal with a lot on a personal level, and other songs of Billy’s (like The Accident, for example) showed me what a great songwriter she was to be able to tap into deeply buried feelings from my past…a great skill for any artist/storyteller.
As mentioned, I was personally going through a hard time back then, and the pleasant distraction was just what the doctor ordered. Even though this was arguably just a very determined, talented girl like many others on the other side of the world. Somehow, I was inspired by these videos, this particular artist, and often found myself glued to the screen, lost down the rabbit hole that is Billy’s YouTube page. There were singers and bands that I’d been in awe of before (many, in fact), but Billy made me think maybe I could do more music, or strive for a higher level. I’d had the idea for some time, for an acoustic project, where I’d play guitar for a talented vocalist. I could never sing, I was far too nervous on stage just playing guitar. I liked this idea as it would give me the opportunity of learning songs I wouldn’t otherwise play. Having been inspired by Billy’s character and her determination, I set out to find said vocalist. This was in fact something I’d find myself doing twice (First with Mel Thurston, then later with Chanel Williams), before having the guts to join in on some backing vocals for a couple of tracks. Though very shaky and perhaps a tad quiet, I did eventually pluck up the courage to actually sing something…I guess that’s when I was further inspired…could I try harder!!
As Chanel & I found ourselves doing more shows and beginning to do paid performances, I felt a little under qualified, and not quite deserving of payment. I knew I wouldn’t feel deserving until I felt like more of a musician. I knew I needed to learn more. I was also, at this point, being encouraged to write original material by an artist friend Kenneth J Nash, as that was where the real fun and artistry was to be had. I spoke to a friend who knew a music teacher down the road from me (Elio Andrade) and I approached him for some guitar lessons. I didn’t want to have to avoid certain cover songs anymore because they were ‘above my skill level’. Elio is a super talented multi instrumentalist and after months of lessons with him, I had certainly improved my theoretical knowledge somewhat, and also learned ‘how to practice’ properly.
I guess it was then I got a real stroke of luck!
I saw online somewhere that Billy the Kid was teaching now, and I could purchase songwriting lessons via Skype. After debating this with myself for some time (is it weird, am I too old, would I be able, was I wasting her time etc), I eventually thought ‘sod it! It’s my birthday soon, I’ll treat myself!’
So I did. I emailed Billy asking if I could do 4 x Songwriting Lessons on Skype. She replied, and my heart lit up: 4 x Lessons booked! Then I guess my brain went to task preparing itself for the actual reality of a) Talking to Billy & b) Having to actually try and write songs. I guess I knew back then that the novelty of talking to Billy would never fully wear off, despite her constantly pointing out she was ‘just a person’, to me she’d always be someone very special. But four lessons became continuous weekly lessons, and eventually I’d calm down enough to get some writing done.
Writing
After a brief explanation to Billy of where I was skill-wise, how I knew of her music, and what I was hoping to get out of the lessons, we began. It started with Billy simply dispelling a few myths about writing, like how there were no quick answers, and all songs are worked at by the artists with some things happening quickly, and others taking many months. Years, even. Whether suddenly or gradually inspired, the devil was in the details, and the editing of the text would be the vital part. She explained this to me by saying “Imagine that you are at any one time, one of two people: the crazy, messy, hair all over the place Writer on the one hand, and the pragmatic, orderly, thoughtful Editor on the other”. She also taught me that it wasn’t so much about trying to write eagerly, but rather not allowing my brain stop me from putting my thoughts down on paper, by way of various defence mechanisms. Writing is about expression, whereas these internal defence mechanisms are designed to stop that expression for fear of rejection, humiliation etc.
This also brought us onto the wider subject of ‘Writer’s Block’. There really is no such thing, and in most cases we allow other things to hamper the process, and maybe make excuses for our selves. Sometimes it’s natural to stop, have a walk/think, do something else, then return to the drawing board hopefully feeling invigorated. But it’s never good to just stop, because firstly, as a writer… you must finish things! And secondly, bad writing can always be edited…but you can’t edit nothing!
So with these small but essential tips, and the motivation of trying to write with Billy’s assistance, she began to set me the task of writing a few lines, a verse or a chorus perhaps. She explained to me that the creative brain needs to be exercised just like a muscle, and that doing so would make it easier to write when I so choose to. She was right, of course. Billy also has an immense amount of experience as a touring artist, and has worked with many successful/renowned artists along the way. So I always enjoyed when she’d throw in a quote from one of these artists, like how Tim Barry once said “Never make a song sound too good”. Obviously being new to writing, this gave me confidence, as I felt I could probably write something ‘not too good’.
I found it hard initially to come up with anything at all, for the reasons already mentioned, and because I was constantly comparing what I had written to that of accomplished artists. This would have to stop. Accomplished artists started somewhere too, and maybe their early writing wasn’t so great either. But by putting pen to paper, and pushing myself to finish these first songs and actually submit them to Billy, I got a few bad ones ‘off my chest’ for lack of a better expression. This ability, or awareness of this, would come in handy again when writing my second set of songs, as I was able to recognise that some were not perhaps ‘good songs,’ but practice, or therapeutic writing which benefited me…but better left on the ‘compost heap’ to maybe be looked into further at a later date.
One week, I was given the task to go away and write 3 x verses or chorus’ in a Gaslight Anthem style we decided, as they were one of my favourite bands, and to emulate is a good starting point for a new writer. At the time, even this was a struggle for me, but I managed, writing three separate but slightly related verses, thinking we’d choose the best of these to extend in to a song. To my surprise Billy showed me how with a tweak here and there, they could be put together, and not only did it now work as a story/song, it gave the song some depth too. We were very close to completing my first original song…all I needed now was a chorus and some music!
Again, with regards to the method of developing the music element of the song, I was surprised how simple it could be when you know how. After spending months learning musical keys with Elio, not much of that would be used here (though I was still glad to have learned that stuff, even if only slightly). Billy’s methods, the methods I’ve been learning, are much more free formed. We’d play around with some chords, noting which transitions we like then, note the said chords to see if they work. I was surprised to find that it didn’t have to be difficult, and our brains kind of remember what musical intervals we liked to hear, and that if we liked them, others probably liked them too. I now found the process a whole lot less daunting.
Missing Vocals
I don’t remember exactly when, but at some point Billy asked me sing some of what I’d written so she could see how it sounded. Bashfully I faltered, and when asked why I didn’t sing, I answered “Simply because I can’t”. She responded by saying that was absolute nonsense, and that very few people ‘couldn’t’ sing, most were just anxious about hearing themselves or performing in front of others. Never being one to argue with Billy, I agreed I was probably the latter, and that I could be persuaded to learn the theory behind singing, and try to improve my skills….and see if I can pluck up the courage to try harder to sing some of this stuff I’d written. So I was lucky enough to have Billy as a vocal coach now too.
She began by explaining that diaphragmatic breathing was involved. This pleased me as I knew a little about this from my days as a student of Tai Chi and various other martial arts. We went through many exercises including lying on the ground and observing the movement of my belly and chest, to trying to keep a piece of paper against the wall using only quick strong exhaled breaths. Later we set about to determine my vocal range, and as Billy explained, this wasn’t entirely set in stone, and I could extend the upper and lower extremes with regular practice.
Again, being a Gaslight Anthem fan, we chose ‘The 59 Sound’ as one of the songs I’d use to help me learn to sing, Billy also suggested ‘Say Something’ by A Great Big World, whilst Chanel and I were at that time considering a cover of Emeli Sande & Labrinth’s song ‘Beneath Your Beautiful’, so Billy & I included that in my practice songs. Chanel thankfully never asked me to actually perform Beneath Your Beautiful, but the practice did me the world of good as it pushed me to try and extend my range a few half steps. Even if I never quite got there, I did extend my top end a touch, so thank you Chanel…..and Labrinth! Billy was able to give me recordings of these three tracks knocked down 3-4 half steps, which I’d sing along my heart out to whilst driving or alone at work. Gradually over the weeks that passed, she’d knock them up a half step and eventually she’d ask me to sing to her in their true key.
Whilst practicing these I was also taught about looking after my voice, not singing when ill, warming up first, posture whilst singing etc. Knowing Billy would eventually make me sing these to her pushed me to practice, practice, practice! As I didn’t want her to be disappointed in my progress. It all paid off, eventually I’d have the confidence, and the know how to attempt a performance in front of Billy the Kid…my favourite. She didn’t laugh or any of the things I had worried she would do, and I had learned a new skill. I knew I’d have to keep working on my singing, and that I wasn’t Michael Buble all of a sudden…but I could now make myself sing if my life depended on it.
My own ‘Silver Linings Playbook’ (so to speak)
Write More!
So, where were we? Ah yes! With much help co-writing from Billy, I’d written my first ‘complete song’ that I was confident with, and I’d learned the basics of singing. So, it seems I’d built a rod for my own back, because my teacher now knew I could sing if pushed to do so. And Billy was more than happy to do this, asking me to sing/play new song ideas from now on instead of me, as in the past, getting away with just reading them out, under the premise that she needed to ‘hear how it sounds’. This felt very awkward at times as I was still somewhat lacking in confidence with regards to my writing, but eventually, I got used to the routine, and began to expect to be asked to sing my ideas out loud. This had the added bonus of making me work harder, I wanted my writing to be better, so I didn’t sound….well, silly. I guess this led to me singing to myself a lot, before I’d hit Billy with it, which was after all the only way anything would start to sound better, self criticism. I couldn’t just make myself write better through wanting to, but Billy had taught me to practice/draft/edit better (I hope!).
Again with much help from Billy, I managed to write another few tracks, she’d often throw in new angles from which to write, new ways to attack the song writing challenge. One being switching my starting point of the song writing, by that I mean I had a tendency to write lyrics first, then add music, which she quite rightly pointed out would not always work….or that I’d have to alter my writing methods at some point to get a result. But she helped me vary my methods leading to more of a variety in my results, also so everything didn’t sound the same.
I think it was around the time of completing a fourth track (approximately July/August 2018), that Billy (maybe jovially) suggested that I only needed perhaps one more song and I’d have written my first EP, and that I’d have to come over to her studio in Alabama to record it. Well whether joking or not, that to me was ‘like a red rag to a bull’, and I immediately began writing track 5 with haste, whilst also checking prices for flights to Alabama! To Billy’s surprise, our very next session I was making date suggestions for flights and recording in Alabama, as well as presenting a rough edit for track 5. I think she was surprised I took her at her word and was suggesting dates only a couple of months away (October 2018). I think I liked these dates so much as it was also my 36th birthday, and if it wasn’t already cool enough treating myself the year before to lessons with Billy The Kid on my 35th Birthday, to visit Billy and record an EP (my first!) with her on my 36th would abso-bloody-lutoley be a dream I could not even have imagined before this time.
So yeah, plans were in motion, and although the pressure was on now to finalise track 5, I was able to do so in (very) high spirits! I even remember remarking to Billy that maybe I could finish editing the track on the plane over, to which she replied “Hell no, you need to be listening to 5 completed demo’s on the plane over! Not still writing”. She has always been ‘the very best’ at keeping me focused, even when I get ahead of myself or over excited. I did in fact finish that fifth track, and completed a demo before setting off for Alabama. I got my visa, practiced as hard as I could, and prepared myself for recording my first EP with my favourite human. It still seemed strange how I’d even got this far being as shy to sing as I was, but I knew with Billy guiding me, I might actually be able to do this.
Huntsville Alabama (Recording the EP)
Needless to say I had the time of my life, whilst being educated in the recording of an EP, and enjoying my first studio experience (well, I had recorded a demo or two at Old Hotel Records with Kenneth J Nash in the run up to this, thanks Ken). There was the fun stuff, drinking in bars and playing pinball with Billy for my birthday (much whiskey was drunk, I too was drunk!), meeting Pizza Fox Ankle Sox the most amazing dog (she does the best tricks!), eating biscuits (the American kind!) and scrambled egg made by Billy…..too much to mention all the cool stuff here.
But mainly I was lucky to have a studio experience which went at my pace, that is a slow pace, so I could understand what was happening, and get my vocals & guitar recorded well without being rushed or fleeced by an uncaring studio. Billy kept me working hard but also kept my confidence at its highest the whole way through, asked for adjustments from me to make the recordings better….I don’t believe any other studio would have given me such care as this, she literally walked me through it all to get the best I could muster.
I knew she worked fast, but she got all five tracks from a newbie like me recorded in just ten days. This may not sound like a lot, but as I found out when visiting Muscle Shoals that week, it is just as successful as Paul Simon or The Rolling Stones achieved when they themselves recorded at Muscle Shoals or better even!! Especially bearing in mind that at this point, I had never really sang live, only to Billy over Skype. She really did a first rate job with a very novice singer. This would also be the first time I’d hear our songs with piano instrumentals, or harmonica solo’s, and even some amazing cello backing from the inimitable 70’s Kevin (Kevin Lay). The drums would be added later by Chris Barnes, another amazing musician that I am still yet to meet in person! Album II we’re sitting down in a studio together for sure.
Towards the end of the recording Billy, knowing how shy I am, very solemnly said to me “These are great songs, if people want to hear them and you won’t sing them I’ll be upset”. This would hit home and be something I would never forget, and gave me a drive I’d never experienced to my knowledge in my life before. (Remember this bit as it will come up again later).
The whole ten days were like a dream to me, finally getting to talk about all kinds of stuff with Billy, meeting some amazing people, and doing something I never thought I’d ever be doing, something I truly thought was way beyond my capabilities. Inevitably, the time came when I had to leave. I must say I really didn’t want to, I even considered turning around in Boston, MA Airport as I smoked a cigarette outside, and thought about getting on a Greyhound bus back to Alabama as my emotions began to get the better of me, but I was always Captain Sensible…..almost always anyway. So I boarded my final flight from Boston to Heathrow, England.
On my return, I knew only part of the job was done, and I still had much to do. Billy however was even busier than ever with the mixing of the tracks, a job she did with the greatest of diligence and her usual tenacity. Even when those mixes were sent to Vancouver for Mastering, she returned the first three edits as they weren’t up to Billy’s reliably high standards. Again I was most grateful for this as all of those edits sounded ok to me, without her guidance I’d have accepted their first attempt without much criticism. My job now was to earn enough money to have these tracks put on to CD so I had a physical product. So I did, knowing now was exactly the time to take this ‘Music stuff’ seriously, I quit my day job which was leeching my time and energy, and began once again as a Security Dog Handler (self employed). I knew from past experience I could earn reasonable money and choose my working schedule better as a dog handler, plus it had been years since I had a dog, and quite frankly I missed that.
It wasn’t too long until I’d saved up enough money to have 500 CD’s made. What would I need 500 for you ask? I know, I doubted I’d sell anywhere near that amount, but it made sense for economy, and it meant I’d probably still be able to be selling them in a few years time, so I bit the bullet and ordered 500 to be on the safe side, which also meant they would be more profitable in the long run. My other job during this time was to ‘grow a pair’ so to speak, to learn to sing in public. I remembered what Billy had said to me before I left Alabama and I didn’t want to let her down. She had gone out of her way to get me here, I needed to do the hard work now. So I searched for local Open Mic nights, and found a few I could try. It was lucky I found a few, because the first one I attended I never made it up to sing, I hesitated and ‘bottled it’. So I tried again, walking up to the precipice as it were and almost jumping, helped me significantly on this second attempt. I did it! I may have been shaky, but I did it, I’d sang my songs in front of people I’d never met, and they’d applauded.
Not wanting to rest on my laurels, and it be a one time thing, I continued to hit any Open Mic I could over the next few months, be that in my hometown or where I was working with my dog. For whatever reason, it took a bit more guts to sing away from home, but by doing so I learned it was all much of a muchness, and people were generally good spirited, and only ever cheered me on or minded their own business. Along with this I got to meet some great people far and wide who were on the same journey as me, and whether they were ahead or behind, didn’t seem to matter to any of us, we were all enjoying our journey.
These endeavours paid off tenfold one evening when I sat down for my usual lesson with Billy. She mentioned she’d been chatting with Danny from Frome, and they’d discussed the up and coming Dylan & Young concert to be held in Hyde Park in July 2019, and had formulated a plan to attend whilst doing a Mini-UK Tour for Billy making the trip worth while. Great I thought, a chance to see Billy again in the UK, then I had one of those moments where you doubt your ears…..as for a second it sounded like Billy had just asked me to play as support at a show on Tour. Being uncertain I sat quietly with a weird grin across my face, which she questioned straight away. Why are you smiling she asked, I explained what I thought I’d heard, that she wanted me to play a show with her, and she replied “No ALL the shows, I want you to be my support at ALL the shows!”.
At realising this my face dropped through sheer shock. I couldn’t play at Billy type shows!! I’d fuck something up for sure, but she had asked so despite this worry, I knew I’d have to try. I knew I had my work cut out but didn’t want to let Billy down, so again I hit as many open mics as I could before July, I had my 5 songs and a handful of covers I could mix in, and was as ready as I’d ever be I guess.
Lost Records Tour 2019
So, the day came, I drove down to Frome where I’d meet Danny, Billy & Emiliano (Billy’s friend from Italy, aka Hellspite, Danny had advised me he was flying in to surprise Billy) and I parked my car up for the week and sat on the street waiting for them with my small suitcase and guitar. I’d recently purchased a Martin Acoustic for half price from a friend to make sure we had a ‘Tour Quality’ guitar to use, and to save Billy having to travel with one of her own guitars. They arrived, we all said our hello’s and made our way down to the Cheese & Grain where Billy would have a practice/impromptu performance for a local festival. As always, despite just getting off a plane, being a seasoned pro as she is, Billy was amazing as always, and at that moment, being on Tour started to sink in properly. No backing out now, but again, being there with Billy somehow made it ok, she had prepared me for this stuff, not quite a walk in the park but not something beyond me either.
Following day, the first show proper was The Exchange, Bristol with Non Canon also supporting. Non Canon (or Barry Dolan) had recently made a lyric video for me, so it was nice to meet him and hear his wonderful music also. I was on first, and although I was shaky as hell, I got through it without any major faults, much to my surprise. Emiliano started to clap before I’d finished one song, but there is quite a pause so I’ll forgive him for that. But it was nice to finish up, and get off stage on that first ‘big show’ without any major mistakes, and speaking to a few chaps outside they expressed their enjoyment of my songs, and mentioned some artists I should look into as they’re similar, and some covers I could do suiting my voice. For me it was nice that they didn’t boo me off stage! So I was happy. Then I had a funny moment where the seasoned pro Billy came out looking bashful, as she was sure she’d messed up the sound for Non Canon now playing. We laughed for a moment then went back inside to check if everything was ok, and Barry had sorted it all and was playing his awesome music to an eager crowd so all was well. Then Billy played her set, with her spectacular 80’s covers too.
Second show was at Thousand Island, London, with Dexy supporting. Dexy was a super nice bloke too, who gave me good tips just as Barry had done the night before. Emiliano had left to go home to Italy that morning so we were without him this time, but joined here by one of Billy’s super fans Sam Neale, who even got up on stage and sang with Billy, doing an amazing job too. This would be the the first time Billy sang backing vocals live with me too. I was nervous as it was new to me, but it went well in the end and I’m sure the audience liked the song all the more because of her joining me. Then during Billy’s set she asked me to join her to sing ‘This Sure as Hell ain’t my Life’ with her, and I starting with the second half of my verse first, I made a complete pig’s ear of it! In a way it was good to mess up on stage in such a big way, as I’ll never let that happen again! I could see the audience singing the lines but anxiety had taken over, and I drew a complete blank. It was one of my favourite Billy The Kid songs and I’d messed it up big style, I knew Billy wasn’t gonna let that be the end of it either, for the next few days all I’d hear was “maybe listen to the song one time Andy!”. Oh how she likes to jest! Great show though, and I was even starting to make some money, to my surprise!
show was The Lending Room, Leeds, with Felka and also Callum Spencer supporting. Again, great show. It was nice to speak to Felka about being new to songwriting, singing and the support received getting there from Billy. Also Callum who’s much younger than me, but is already doing exceptionally well in his singing career, was good to talk to about performing and stuff, I’m sure the world will see much more from him in the coming years, I was also intrigued as he is friends with a favourite band of mine, Seafret. Again Billy got me to sing with her, and this time I almost got it right….bar a few extra words I threw in here and there! But I was getting better!
The final big show for me was The Parish, Huddersfield, with Johnny Gibson and Arms & Hearts supporting. Being the fourth show I wanted to try and be a bit more confident at this one, and I’d had such a good time all week I was on a natural high so to speak. Johnny and Steve (Arm & Hearts) were the best, and although I tried to go first as I felt it suited my skill/experience, they wouldn’t have it and said I was billed 3rd so I would play 3rd. Made me extra nervous as I saw they were both amazing and experienced artists, but I guess because they had been so cool with me, I was able to play as best I could, and hopefully there wasn’t too much of a lull in the performance. Billy was amazing as expected and set the house on fire, the guy in charge at The Parish, Mikey being a massive Billy fan. Then there were plenty of drinks and much talking about Bill & Ted 3 after the event whilst Mikey fed us all Jameson whiskey for the remainder of the evening. Eventually we’d stumble back to the hotel ready for a small show near my hometown at the Hare & Hounds, then the Dylan & Young Concert the following day.
So that was the four big shows for me done, I was ecstatic, I hadn’t forgotten all my lyrics as I’d expected, I hadn’t stumbled over too many chords, and I learned to cover and continue if I did make the odd mistake, just like the pro’s. Although Billy still had 2000 Trees to play, for me the panic/dread was over, I could relax. Watching Dylan and Young with my new best friends (Danny & Billy) and a famous DJ/Interviewer called Matt Stocks was a surreal experience for me, again I was on a natural high still from the most amazing week ever, with the most amazing people ever. I bumped into a few friends there also (Arms & Hearts and Will Purdue). Then as the day ended we made our way back to the hotel before scrambling to get Billy to 2000 Trees for an early performance, then a really late one at the campsite too.
Billy played amazing especially since we’d all had very little sleep, and Barry Dolan turned up to watch her play too, so it was nice to see him again at the end of my special week. The lack of sleep made being backstage and carrying the guitar for Billy all the more trippy for me as I bumped into one of my favourite artists a little later (James Veck-Gilodi of Deaf Havana), and even spoke to Andy Cairns briefly as I let him jump in front of me at the backstage toilet. Then after enjoying some great acts throughout the day, Billy played her final show of the week acoustically to a group of campers after Merex (who were amazing by the way). Once again she surprised me by asking me to sing Frank’s verse again to a group of hardcore Frank Turner fans. This time thankfully though, I got it all right! And I don’t know if it was the drugs they were on, but a few of the fans were even complimentary about my small part in the set. And so 2000 Trees was over for us three (Billy, Danny and I), so we made our way back to Danny’s in Frome, ready for Billy’s flight the following morning.
Obviously, we had such fun that week, so it was tough saying goodbye to Billy. It was somewhat quiet on the drive to Heathrow, though we tried to lift the mood with some chatter about the week we’d just had. We dropped Billy off, and the drive back to Danny’s was even quieter, Danny and I agreed to keep in touch despite us both being busy and such, I think we’ve managed that to be fair. We still occasionally catch up in Bristol for a gig, and more recently due to the Coronavirus, we’ve been virtually watching the David Lynch collection together (though apart). Not quite as good as tour life with Billy, but good to have made a new friend during the amazing process.
Andy Hawkins Music 